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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:15 pm 
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"Life long tinkerer" - you'll fit in around here just fine. ;)

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mixed up a batch of your brew yesterday, and thanks to your daughter's contribution, I first added the 2 smooth pebbles. Once combined, it only took a few minutes of shaking to fully mix. Looking forward to getting away from Stan's, which had to be added every 3 months. Thanks,


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Pebbles are the "secret ingredient". :lol:

I've run completely out. I have caulk and RV antifreeze. Need to head to the big-box store and pick up some slime....

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:20 pm 
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Am psyched to add it tonight to 3 sets of wheels. Yields 1.5 gal. = $19.19, or $6.40 a quart, certainly less than Stan's @ $23 qt., and if it can withstand the TX heat I'm sure it'll be fine here in VA.


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I'm still loving how it performs and have no desire to try anything else. :)

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Working great for me too. I prefer the more expensive latex from hobby lobby. Mixes easier.


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Shook the snot out of it, and quickly added 3 oz. to each wheel today. I like the consistency, a bit thicker than Stan's.
Can see where the latex mold builder may be more pliable, but the pebbles work. :pray:


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I like the original recipe, too - with the better latex though. Incidentally, when running low on sealant and out of slime for a new batch, I tried a mix of just latex and rv antifreeze as a "new tire installation mix" and it worked very well for this task. Not as thick, it sealed the beads and sidewalls in no time, then I added the regular sealant for puncture resistance.


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Just opened EB's homebrew thread - holee shiitolee..

Anyone tried adding cornmeal for more chunkage? (Seems that is Stan's secret)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:30 am 
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Sti wrote:
Incidentally, when running low on sealant and out of slime for a new batch, I tried a mix of just latex and rv antifreeze as a "new tire installation mix" and it worked very well for this task. Not as thick, it sealed the beads and sidewalls in no time, then I added the regular sealant for puncture resistance.

Neat idea! Maybe I'll mix up a batch of just latex/antifreeze and do the same.

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Just opened EB's homebrew thread - holee shiitolee..

Lol, I bet it's a hot mess. :D

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:36 pm 
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In my quest for a better sealant than stans sealant, I happened upon this site about a month ago...
Well in the UK, it seams that the only ingredient available is slime.
Any other UK members had any success sourcing the other ingredients? Or what else are you using?

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Flyin_W wrote:
Just opened EB's homebrew thread - holee shiitolee..

Anyone tried adding cornmeal for more chunkage? (Seems that is Stan's secret)


Activated Carbon would give similar chunkage without significantly altering the chemistry action. PLUS, it would make everything look cool and black instead of funny colors.


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I would just like to say a great big thank you for this thread.
I mixed my first batch just before Christmas, ghetto-ed my first tubeless set and it worked!! I am super pleased to say the least. :D
I mixed up 50/50 Slime and liquid latex and then added some screen wash (can't get RV antifreeze as readily in the UK).

I haven't ridden them yet, but they have been up since the 22nd and not lost any pressure.
I was hoping to get out for a ride this week, however I can't even climb the stairs without coughing up my lungs. :(

Hoping all is well by next week..


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Flyin_W wrote:
Just opened EB's homebrew thread - holee shiitolee..

Anyone tried adding cornmeal for more chunkage? (Seems that is Stan's secret)


Yeah, I'm sure that post of mine got lost in the massive number of "Why aren't you just buying Stan's" questions. :lol:

Started without cornmeal, just using latex and RVAF, and it would seal slowly for stuff like goat heads, but wouldn't do well on nails and such.
With cornmeal, it seals up pretty quick.

I do mold builder and RVAF about 1:3, and use a good pinch (1-2 tsp, depending on carcass) of cornmeal that I add directly to the tire--then the rest injects easily through valve holes and such, with no chunks. Seems as long as I keep it wet, I can just add the liquid, soon as it dries you have to toss some more corn meal in there.


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^ Where did you get the cornmeal? I haven't a clue what I'm looking for. Went to my local Whole Foods to scan the bulk bins, and did not see any. Will slow cook (regular) grits work?
Thanks for any input, my build project is on hold until I get this figured out.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:44 pm 
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The local hippie mart.
What I have is "Bob's Red Mill", a bag labeled 'medium grind'--the grind is a little smaller than table salt. Fine, but not super tiny.
I don't think you'd want anything but 'regular' grits--precook would just make for a weaker fill material, I'm guessing.

It's at least a bit bigger than what comes in the 'regular' stuff, as back when I was mixing it all together, it would clog up trying to get the solution+chunks in at the same time, but even a coarser grind would be a non-issue if you toss it in the tire beforehand.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:13 am 
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ASBrooks wrote:
I would just like to say a great big thank you for this thread.
I mixed my first batch just before Christmas, ghetto-ed my first tubeless set and it worked!! I am super pleased to say the least. :D
I mixed up 50/50 Slime and liquid latex and then added some screen wash (can't get RV antifreeze as readily in the UK).

I haven't ridden them yet, but they have been up since the 22nd and not lost any pressure.
I was hoping to get out for a ride this week, however I can't even climb the stairs without coughing up my lungs. :(

Hoping all is well by next week..


Have been riding on them now for 2 months, no problems what so ever. I wish I'd done this before. Now what I do with all my spare tubes? :D


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The local hippie mart.
What I have is "Bob's Red Mill", a bag labeled 'medium grind'--the grind is a little smaller than table salt. Fine, but not super tiny.
I don't think you'd want anything but 'regular' grits--precook would just make for a weaker fill material, I'm guessing.

It's at least a bit bigger than what comes in the 'regular' stuff, as back when I was mixing it all together, it would clog up trying to get the solution+chunks in at the same time, but even a coarser grind would be a non-issue if you toss it in the tire beforehand.


Thanks, Zowie!
Like your idea of adding to the tire before seating the bead. Since the homebrew does not evaporate as quickly as Stan's it should remain in suspension.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:27 pm 
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Found the Bob's Red Mill med grind cornmeal, yet decided to go with regular Quaker Oats grits.
My thought is to add some chunk to plug up bigger holes from rocks or glass.
Before seating the tire I added 1 scoop of the marpilli miracle mix (MMM),
3/4 a scoop of grits then another scoop of MMM.

Wouldn't seat with a floorpump, couldn't find a presta adapter, so had to hit the LBS where they used Stan's as a bead lubricant to get it seated. Thanks guys!
The 2.35 Ikon on a Blunt 35 is fricking ginormous, can't wait for the Chronicle.

Note - be careful that the chunk does not get out of the center of the tire to interfere with the bead/rim interface, if it does stop and wipe it away with a sponge.
Because of ^ this I really wrestled with Saguaro on a Flow that's never caused any issues.

Will keep y'all posted on the results of the MMM+ :geek:


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Holy shlamoly. That's a lot of cornmeal!
Won't be an apples to apples type comparison, but I'm looking forward to hearing how it holds up for you.

FWIW, I've had burping issues whenever I couldn't seat with a floor pump, keep an eye on that thing if you're into pushing the low end of pressure.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:03 pm 
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what happens if you already have the "normal" antifreeze? i dont plan on drinking it, so will it be fine in this brew?


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In the worst case scenario, it will dissolve your pretty orange rims, Nicole. :lol: you shall be fine.


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Because of da pooch I'd go buy the $4 RV antifreeze @ Wallyworld.
Dogs are very attracted to regular antifreeze, and it's highly toxic.
It would suck to get a flat and a sick pooch on the same ride.


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Update on the MMM (marpilli's miracle mix). I used the latex caulking + grits.
On Saturday, after posing in the parking lot I mistakenly ran over some auto glass.
Apparently somebody got their window smashed, and the safety glass punctured my rear tire.
It only hissed for two rotations then spewed briefly when hitting the curb to exit the lot.
Rode another lap without issue, then yesterday I checked the PSI, and it had only lost 2#.
Smells like success.


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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 2:07 am 
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^ This is a 3 yr old Ra-Ra using Stan's, and topped off with 2 oz. every 3 months. The coagulation is soft, and notice how the pattern mimics the tread.

Not a weight weenie, yet all that latex certainly weighs more than a tube.

Did a bunch of tire swapping today, and so far the MMM homebrew (plus grits) doesn't evaporate or stick to the inner tire like Stan's.

...sent by dixie cup/string


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 2:25 am 
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From the sound of Crickets, it appears I'm HK's biggest tire Ho. Am always trying new treads, and seek better sealant solutions.

From the ^ above Stan's is off my list.
Also learning, Fat is not always where it's at*..
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*(edit 2) In SS, it takes a cog with 2 more teeth, and HP to generate flow. (Yes, rear tire is a 3.0)

...sent by dixie cup/string


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You never get boogers in your tires, just that aliens-nest-like-growth?

I have had a few punctures this season and they got all dealt with the homebrew sealant. Happy camper I am!


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Nah, this weird Alien Nesting is new, and it's kinda freakish.
It used to be all about the boogers, and some were ginormous.

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All in, tubeless has saved me from many HAB's. In the land of thorns there isn't much choice, and I believe the homebrew is a big improvement over the Stan's.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:17 am 
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Am still pleased with the homebrew, and to date haven't had a flat.
Lately, noticed a few oddities, so have been reading the mutha of all EB threads on DIY homebrew sealant. After 95 pages have learned that glitter was long ago cast aside as a chunkalator, and the cause of my recently weeping sidewalls is likely the carrier fluid used in Slime.
Seems I'm the only one using latex caulk, as all others are sold on the liquid latex mold builder.
(For a quick down and dirty on usable proven DIY receipes - read posts 1397, 1519, and 2332)
My latest batch made this evening is;
1 tube of latex caulk / 10.2 oz (active ingredient) <1.50
1 RVAF 50/50 (carrier fluid 1) < .50
1 H20 (c.f. 2) < .00
4 oz Ammonia (latex extender) < .25
3 oz grits (chunk to seal bigger holes) < .20
4 tsp tapioca powder pre-mixed into 8 oz of boiling H20 (emulsifier) < .05
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Total: < $2.50/qt

Once I've changed over all tires, and given it a chance I'll report back on how it works, plugs holes, stops sidewall weeping, and rate of evaporation*.
If so, it'll be by far the cheapest sealant yet.
If not, I'll be tubing it trailside and / or logging many weeknight H-A-B's. :shifty:

EDIT - premix with boiling water to gain thickening qualities, keeps chunkulators in suspension.
[* The primary reason for doing this is because in summer, Schtan's evaporates every 2 months.]


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Good stuff, W. How coarse grits and tapioca do you use?


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