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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:12 am 
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never thought of that but thats an excellent idea. UST wheels so no strip, but i do have a gallon freezer bag in my camelbak with napkins in it (spare the socks at all costs imo) that could easily be moved.

as far as todays ride, no issues at all. ran about 30, and thats what was in it when i got back. very pleased.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:29 pm 
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I have a small hole in the front tire that's just big enough it seals with the homebrew. But, when I hit a decent bump it starts to leak. I'm too lazy to dismount the tire and patch it from the inside and I'm trying to think of some way to apply a fix externally.

I think I'm going to take a small bit of cotton (from a swab) and jam it into the hole. That ought to give the sealant something to hold onto when the tire flexes. I feel like this is gonna work. :)

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Do people use superglue in these cases? My recipe for success is moar sealant. :lol:


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I'd think for the superglue to work it would have to be cleaned. If I dismount the tire to clean it I would just apply a patch inside. I've added moar sealant. Leaky hole... :lol:

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Need moar big glitter! :D

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I had my first tubeless flat yesterday and my sealant would not seal it. I think the sealant had boogerized and there were no more bits of bits to plug the hole. It just squirted and I had to use a tube to finish the ride. I switched tires and used the rest of my stans. Next project is fairy dust sealant.

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I had my first tubeless flat yesterday and my sealant would not seal it. I think the sealant had boogerized and there were no more bits of bits to plug the hole. It just squirted and I had to use a tube to finish the ride. I switched tires and used the rest of my stans. Next project is fairy dust sealant.

I can give you some if you'd like to try it out first without all the mixing.

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i think fibers in a mix is a good thing for sealing ability, but not for flowability. hmm. there must be a balance there somewhere.


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We need a laboratory (and a rich uncle). ;)

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What if we put fiberglass sheet through a paper shredder? Without out resin the fiberglass wouldn't harden but it would facking get in all the nooks and crannies.

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The antifreeze-slime-caulk mix produces boogers quite quickly. I found one in the tire only a few weeks of riding.


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really? weird?

as far as fibers, i'm thinking dryer lint could be a good source. nobody wants to mess with glass fibers, trust me. ugh.


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The antifreeze-slime-caulk mix produces boogers quite quickly. I found one in the tire only a few weeks of riding.

I've only run UST tires until this set of 2Bliss tires. In the UST tires the homebrew almost never dried out. I suspect the thicker sidewalls played a part in this. I'll have to pay attention to these 2Bliss tires (with thin sidewalls) and monitor how fast the homebrew dries.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:16 pm 
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marpilli wrote:
Sti wrote:
The antifreeze-slime-caulk mix produces boogers quite quickly. I found one in the tire only a few weeks of riding.

I've only run UST tires until this set of 2Bliss tires. In the UST tires the homebrew almost never dried out. I suspect the thicker sidewalls played a part in this. I'll have to pay attention to these 2Bliss tires (with thin sidewalls) and monitor how fast the homebrew dries.

I noticed that my sidewalls (maxxis ignitor UST) stayed damp for several days after i filled them, and i did lose between 5 and 10 pounds during that time... but when i was setting up gear for yesterdays ride 2 nights ago, i filled them back up, and after the ride and sitting overnight (checked when i got home today) they are holding steady, and the sidewalls are dry.

now bear in mind i used pure latex, and not caulk. have no intention of popping a bead to see if the sealant has congealed into boogers anytime soon, but i honestly think when it comes time to make the next batch i am going to either up the ratio of latex, or reduce the ratio of antifreeze. it just seemed a bit on the thin side for my liking.

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And the sidewalls are still weeping, for some odd reason. not badly, but i am still finding spots of green on the sidewalls. didnt have to add any more air though, rode just fine.

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RandyBoy wrote:
I've been using homebrew now for 4 years. It does not dry out like Stan's does. 5-6 oz in a 29'er tire will last a year and a half or more. Down side is it's a mess when you pull the tire to replace, versus straight Stan's boogers usually being completely dried up when you remove a worn front tire.

Been using 1 part mold maker, 1 part Slime RV sealant and one part RV antifreeze, no glitter. This has been known as Dr. Wades Secret Sauce in the 29'er section of emptybeer for years now, if you want more info on how it got started in the SW USA, where the heat dries the ammonia out of Stan's just sitting in your tires in the garage in the summer time in a month or less.



QFT. Randy's recipe works great for me. I cannot even count all the scabs on my tires with spots of dried sealant. I would have punctured more than a dozen times with tubes in the past couple of months. This secret sauce just works. I also add 1oz of RV antifreeze to the tires once a blue moon to keep the concoction alive.


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i like the idea of adding a little antifreeze every so often...

finally scored some rv antifreeze at our walmart. at this rate i'll have some brew made by christmas.


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I just removed a giant booger from one front tire. I guess I am starting a collection.


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A very interesting discussion happening at empty beer about a rapid boogerization of homebrew sealant. It looks like the order in which the ingredients are mixed matters, and that adding raw antifreeze to tire is a real bad idea.

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http://forums.EB.com/29er-components/ ... st10839961


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I've had absolutely no problems with my version of the mix. Sounds like they need to switch. ;)

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Sti wrote:
Do people use superglue in these cases? My recipe for success is moar sealant. :lol:

I would think that the superglue would dry too stiff to be useful. In this case I would use some silicone as filler in a hole.

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Hi guys, I've not been active for a while but now I'm wanting to make up some home brew sealant to share with my friends.

On the weekend 5 of us went to the neighbouring town to check out the bike track that is being built.
4 bikes were running tubes, my bike was tubeless (ZTR rims, 2bliss tyres, stans sealant)
There were cat head burs everywhere. (not sure if people outside of Australia know of them)
After 15 minutes we had 5 punctures.
Another 10 minute ride we gave up and left.
I think we totalled 14 punctures all up.
Not one of the 4 tubed bikes was spared.

My bike had no problems except for a little air loss. Just pull the burs out and kept going.


Any how, what would the RV antifreeze be called here in Australia?

or

Can I use water with a wetting agent?

I cant find anything locally that resembles the RV antifreeze.

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The miracle that is sealant! Your friends are now believers, right? ;)

The RV antifreeze is just propylene glycol based antifreeze (instead of the toxic ethylene glycol).

I googled it and found these (hope the help):

This page (http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/5397 ... ralia.html) says:
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In Melbourne I got some at Actrol who supply the refrigeration industry. They have many branches in Melb and probably Sydney too. It is pure and in 5L tins.

This page (http://www.ferret.com.au/c/Fleetguard-A ... nt-n684420) says:
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FLEETGUARD Australia has released a new, fully formulated, Propylene Glycol (PG) based "all engine" coolant - PGPlus

This page (http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/html/e ... tinum.html) says:
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PG Platinum is a propylene glycol coolant.

I've never tried it with straight water. I'd imagine you'd want to use distilled water (if you were going to experiment with it). If you end up going that route, please let us know how well it works out. :thumbup:

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I wanted to add some homebrew to my tires before going out on a ride. Alas, it's been so long since I've used the bottle the mixture separated and the caulk settled to the bottom. No amount of shaking was getting the damn thing to remix.

It sure would be nice if I had a glass marble or large steel ball bearing I could put in the bottle to help it mix (like a spray can). I asked my oldest kid if she happened to have a small river rock (smoothed edges) I could have and she happily found one for me. It was about the size of a nickel. Perfect.

Tossed it into the bottle and began to shake. The latex remixed in about 10 seconds. :D

Add a rock, marble, or ball bearing to your homebrew bottle. ;)

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The RV / Potable antifreeze costs an arm and leg in the UK.....


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The RV / Potable antifreeze costs an arm and leg in the UK.....

There was a guy in Australia with the same problem. I don't remember if he found a solution; however, I tried to offer some links. Take a look here and let me know if it helps: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=316&start=90#p22412

Where in the UK are you located? Half of my team works in an office in Nottingham. I believe Iffy (another member on the board) is near Swindon.

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I found that home sealant here in OZ is more expensive than overseas.
coupled with the fact that sealant has come down in price, a lot, its not really worth doing home brew.

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marpilli - I'm in Leicester just south of Nottingham. I'll take a look through the links you pointed to.

Xenocatalyst - It's the same in the UK, I can get Stans for around £13 for 450ml. However it dries up too quickly. Besides, I'm a life long tinkerer, I like the whole DIY approach to things.


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