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 Post subject: New Drivetrain
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:01 pm 
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My buddy wants a new drivetrain and wants to do a 10 speed XX1 thang. What's the best place to get it all?


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My buddy wants a new drivetrain and wants to do a 10 speed $$1 thang. What's the best place to get it all?


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And I have no idea but it sure as hell isn't cheap. Tell him you heard from a good source $$2 is coming out and he should wait. Maybe he'll forget about it.


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When is that expected?


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6-6-2013?

Edit: not sure if you're serious. I made that up.....


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Before your buddy makes a purchase, have him send an email to BikerBob (bob@bikerbob.com) and get a quote. Excellent service and prices. And, Bob personally worked with me to get the exact package I was after when I upgraded to a 1x10 XT setup. Super nice guy.

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XX1 is a 11 speed drivetrain. He may need a new wheel if his current hub is not convertible to the new standard, too.


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Sti wrote:
XX1 is a 11 speed drivetrain. He may need a new wheel if his current hub is not convertible to the new standard, too.


Yeah, that's why he wants to do XX1 10 speed. We never hit the little ring around here.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:27 am 
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As wmac mentioned, I'm looking to do a 1x10 with XX1 crank and rings. Probably XX rear derailleur on an 11-36 X0 cassette. I have read posts about this combination working well.

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I have been running a 1x10 with a 30t ring and 11-36t cassette for over a year now. Overall it's a great combo. I sometimes wish I had just a little lower gear and am actually considering adding the granny ring back in on my next build.

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tee_cee wrote:
As wmac mentioned, I'm looking to do a 1x10 with XX1 crank and rings. Probably XX rear derailleur on an 11-36 X0 cassette. I have read posts about this combination working well.

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I run a 1x10 setup that works pretty well without the expensive XX1 components: a 11-36T Shimano XT cassette on an alloy carrier, SRAM X.9 Type-2 medium cage RD, SRAM X.7 spiderless GXP crank and a 30T or 32T MRP Bling Ring which works just as well as the XX1 rings do. It costs a fraction of the XX1 setup and I have yet to drop the chain.

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This will be on a 26" bike and goal is no chain guard.


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I run 2x10 and that's a happy compromise between going 3x and 1x

...and yes, with XX1 you'll very likely need a new rear hub. Going XX1 will be bank too. All the new XX1 bits carry a high price and it's hard to pick up used/cheap bits off ebay since there are very few XX1 bits floating out there.

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^Shibi - I was hoping you'd mention that ;) See, regular ol' XO crank with XO chain, cassette and type two seem to work fine. Need to get an XX1 ring. Just looking for any inside tips on getting ahold of all that stuff at a low, low, bargain basement price.


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Wmac wrote:
This will be on a 26" bike and goal is no chain guard.


I only run the guide for the skid plate. I have a lot of fallen trees on my trails.


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Shibiwan wrote:
I run 2x10 and that's a happy compromise between going 3x and 1x

...and yes, with XX1 you'll very likely need a new rear hub. Going XX1 will be bank too. All the new XX1 bits carry a high price and it's hard to pick up used/cheap bits off ebay since there are very few XX1 bits floating out there.

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P.S. a couple of us here are working on "XX1 style" 1x chainrings. :D


I definitely find this interesting. The alternating teeth of the XX1 ring is what draws me to it. I'm not ready to swap out my rear hub; that's why I'm thinking hybrid to X0 10 speed cassette. If I can simply change out my rear derailleur, cassette, chain, and front ring, I'd be all over that.

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I'm wondering if the $$1 chainring will work with a 10 speed chain?
So far I have not found any specs on the $$1 chain.

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Magura wrote:
I'm wondering if the $$1 chainring will work with a 10 speed chain?
So far I have not found any specs on the $$1 chain.

Magura :)


If anything, the xx1 chain would be narrower than a 10 speed chain. Therefore the 10 speed chain would fit on the xx1 chain ring but it will have a little sideways slop.

Big question is whether this slop makes the extra $$$$ spent on the xx1 pointless.

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Shibiwan wrote:
Big question is whether this slop makes the extra $$$$ spent on the xx1 pointless.

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That pretty much was my question.



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Magura wrote:
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Big question is whether this slop makes the extra $$$$ spent on the xx1 pointless.

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That pretty much was my question.



Magura :)


.....and so we should be getting off our butts and make the HKX10 rings....

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:40 pm 
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Shibiwan wrote:
Magura wrote:
Shibiwan wrote:
Big question is whether this slop makes the extra $$$$ spent on the xx1 pointless.

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That pretty much was my question.



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.....and so we should be getting off our butts and make the HKX10 rings....

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I happen to be on it, but lack material :(

It is however tempting to make such rings of composites......



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I think the real need will be making an XX1 type of ring for Shimano cranks ;) wink, wink, nudge, nudge.


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Making a note of it... I'll try the metals salvage place the next time I'm there and see if I can get some good 7075 plates and make a small test batch.

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So what do the alternating XX1 teeth actually do for chain retention?


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Keep it in place sideways.


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Is this about an idea that a "+" gap moves more with a "-" tooth than with a "+" tooth?


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If I get you right, yes.
It simply guides the outer plates.

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More surface area contact = more retention.


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Sti wrote:
So what do the alternating XX1 teeth actually do for chain retention?


Yes, supposedly "sideways retention" but the larger effect is probably "marketing" IMO.

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Shibiwan wrote:
Sti wrote:
So what do the alternating XX1 teeth actually do for chain retention?


Yes, supposedly "sideways retention" but the larger effect is probably "marketing" IMO.

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Within a couple of weeks, we will know if that is so.

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Magura wrote:
Shibiwan wrote:
Sti wrote:
So what do the alternating XX1 teeth actually do for chain retention?


Yes, supposedly "sideways retention" but the larger effect is probably "marketing" IMO.

-S


Within a couple of weeks, we will know if that is so.

Magura :)


haha... already sourcing 7075 plates form my materials supplier...

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