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 Post subject: Life After Clear Cut
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:23 am 
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I've been building trails for about 50 years. I don't usually photograph much but I have a unique opportunity. The local trail system I built for the middle school bike club, about 20 miles of trail, is being logged at this moment. A lot of the trails will be destroyed, a few of them will be sort of protected and a small portion will not be touched because they are in areas that have already been logged.

I intend to rebuild the trails & I have the chance to document the work. I hope you find it interesting.

This is what the trails looked like before logging.
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This is what they look like now. The large logs you see will be taken. The rest (called slash) will be left lying there. Anything under about 1 foot in diameter will be left to rot.
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 Post subject: Re: Life After Clear Cut
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:19 pm 
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I know logging is not a "nice" enterprise, but living in the redwoods and using wood products, I guess it is a necessary evil. Our bike club has access to a large parcel that has been heavily logged over the past 100 years and is currently recovering. There are large old growth redwood logs that are lying around and were left because they weren't "perfect". We use the wood for making bridges and retaining walls. We hand split every piece and cut to length. Some of this wood was felled 150 years ago and is still in perfect condition.

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 Post subject: Re: Life After Clear Cut
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:20 am 
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Same here. All the land that's being logged has been logged before (not clear cut). The huge stumps with the springboard notches are everywhere. And yes, we have 60 year old cedar lying on the ground that's still good for bridges (love the "pop" & the smell when splitting red cedar). I bet you know what a froe is norton. :mrgreen:

I had to skip town for my own safety but I'm not far away. I'll be working on the trails up there on weekends.


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 Post subject: Re: Life After Clear Cut
PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:18 am 
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Hey TN here is a couple of trail pictures.

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 Post subject: Re: Life After Clear Cut
PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:40 am 
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Just been killing time down in the city waiting till the logging is done....

... it's done. I'll go up tomorrow & check the carnage. The people who live there and ride those trails are literally crying. They will love what I can do with a clearcut and free reign from the landowner.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:41 am 
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norton55 wrote:
Hey TN here is a couple of trail pictures.

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Mmmm..... cedar!


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 Post subject: Re: Life After Clear Cut
PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:09 pm 
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Actually, those are old growth redwood logs. There are lots of logs laying around, that we hand split and use for bridge and wall material.

Sorry for the crappy iphone pics.

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Saw your topic Ninja and immediately thought of this video. Before you know it there will be no tolerable place to ride or even go to get away from it all. Sad really.




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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:59 am 
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norton55 wrote:
Actually, those are old growth redwood logs. There are lots of logs laying around, that we hand split and use for bridge and wall material.

Sorry for the crappy iphone pics.

I understand that the wood of the Sequoia (redwood) and the red cedar are very similar. We have red cedar here. straight grain, splits well & lasts forever. The smell of fresh cut red cedar is very sweet, similar to the smell of automobile antifreeze. Is redwood like that?


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Redwood doesn't quite have the "nose" that cedar has, but Douglas Fir has that nice Pine scent when cut. Douglas Fir does not last in the ground like Redwood does.

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doug fir is good termite bait. Cedar and Redwood, the little bastards leave it alone.


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RandyBoy wrote:
doug fir is good termite bait. Cedar and Redwood, the little bastards leave it alone.


Carpenter ants will go after cedar in my neck of the woods. Though they won't eat it, just live in it. Not a huge problem, though depends if it is a good year for ants...

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sprocket wrote:
RandyBoy wrote:
doug fir is good termite bait. Cedar and Redwood, the little bastards leave it alone.


Carpenter ants will go after cedar in my neck of the woods. Though they won't eat it, just live in it. Not a huge problem, though depends if it is a good year for ants...


It's a way different tree, sprocket. The western red cedar has some very unique properties compared to the eastern white cedar. It has an amazing resistance to rot, grows way faster and bigger and seems to be highly poisonous to plants and bugs. It also has a very straight grain and splits into boards for decking with very little effort. It's a joy to work with when building trails.

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As bad as this looks, I estimate it will take about 40 hours to make all our trails rideable once the loggers have gone. They did a pretty good job protecting what trails they could and seem to be doing a better than average job cleaning up after themselves. I know the fallers and machine operators weren't too happy about managements order to "protect all trails" but they did it anyways. Kudos to Island Timberlands.

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I wondered if you were alive and well so I went browsing some other forums and found you had some recent posts. ;) Glad to see you're still at it!

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Cool video hutch!


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marpilli wrote:
I wondered if you were alive and well so I went browsing some other forums and found you had some recent posts. ;) Glad to see you're still at it!

A couple of PM's from that site got me in there but I really haven't had much time for interwebbing. I felt a little guilty posting there and not here. I was going to post a crapload of building pictures here but I got shut down at 2. Here's 2 more.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:14 pm 
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Cut out three trees today from the trail. The city doesn't do squat and no one else has the balls to go back there with at least a hand saw to do some sort of maintenance. People ask me sometimes, who does this work? Trail gnomes; that's who.

First tree. It was becoming a hazard.
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Two trees joined at the base. The base is now blocking the re-route just to the left of the orange arrow and the re-route trail is covered back over. Used the other parts to contour the outside of the trail.
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Think it came out pretty good and most wouldn't even notice the work that was done.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:23 pm 
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Good thread, we have lots of logging around here, and the one good thing I can say is they are required to push the leftovers into a pile to be burned.
I like to ride the logging roads some of my favorite riding is on them.


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Looks like the trail is coming together nicely.


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I am looking at the Vancouver island and sending greetings over the water from Port Angeles, WA. Nice trail, Ninja!

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Welcome back TN, nice work.


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moar pics! looking good so far!

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Paging TN? I had to cut a widow maker down the other day. At first I made a rock step up but it wasn't 100% good.

So today I used all the concrete slabs to anchor the ground and behind these boards I had at the house. I can only use a hand saw so cutting it up which took 2 days worth just to get it down will be a long term option. I didn't finish the other side cause I didn't bring enough of wood and was limited on time. There is no flex to them because of the slabs underneath. The ends are raise off the ground resting on smaller slabs so they don't rot out from being on the ground. I'm kind of confused on how to go about finishing the back side since the trail droops down right after the log and angles away going up the hill. Here's some pictures....Should I just use the other boards I have left and angle them the opposite way to create a side V so it intercepts at the top the tree or use some logs so there is less trail for error going over? The droop in the trail makes it's so it's very uneven though so that's why i'm confused.

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is it feasible to open that turn a bit? dig it out wide and put a roller over the top of the log, down into a right-hand berm to pick up the trail, but not lose any momentum. itll mean moving some dirt, but really nothing else. take the line out as far as that deadfall about a foot off the trailbed, and you can have a nice little sweeper.

otherwise, itll be a speed check and a sketchy drop off of the back, by the looks of it.

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I wish I could do that but I did pm another team member to see what we can do about it. This picture below is why it's a pita. The yellow is the angle of the side of the trail. Right above that is part of the tree in red which is in the shape of a Y which is about head level and I'm too short to cut it. The two red spots are from the base of the Y. One part is on the ground just behind the main tree. The main tree goes right to the base of the side of the trail. That side of the trail is below the top part of the trail so be removing the side of the wall the upper part of the trail would fall down. That part is shaped like a U with the first part going down the hill and the second part going back up another hill into a switchback climb to vertical climb. This trail has no flow. About 99% of the time you have to pedal. The other 1% are the downhills which are very short. There is no lolly gagging on this trail, it's all work.

Anyways like I said in the other thread this tree had to go but because of how big it is its a PITA. I'm about to just say F it and call someone with a chainsaw but, that could have horrible results if someone heard us, calling the cops or city. I just hate how this city has fucking BET concerts on the other side, Drug deals, who has the loudest system, gang-hangouts, etc....if you catch my drift. Then they loose their minds if we ask them to help with the trail work but they want to shut it down because people can get hurt. I'll let that sink in....

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