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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:27 am 
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It’s been 10 years since I rode the southern section where the falls are. I remember it being pretty lame down that side and no falls views.

Honestly you don’t see much of the gorge at all. Years ago you could view a topo map on terraserver that would give you a good feel for what the trail is like. I rode 8 miles south out then 8 back from the dam site. I kept track of my gully crossing wins and loses. Challenging ones anyway. Made 9 out of 16 before I lost count.

East side is nothing like park side. I’ll look around see what I can find for topo.


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Try here. East side doesn’t have the sharp drop offs found on the west. Constantly riding up one side of a gully, crossing midsection or at the top then down the other side.

They list the trail around 21 miles but with gully navigation it’s over 24

https://www.topozone.com/new-york/wyomi ... tate-park/


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Just returned from a visit to the Central Coast (at last!) I did three rides.

Montana de Oro- 12.5 miles
Poly Canyon 4.95 miles
Irish Hills- 7.95 miles

N55, have you ridden the newer stuff out at Irish Hills??? OMG, it's FANTASTIC!!! (Ocean View trail and Wednesday trail)


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Hawg, not yet. It's on my to do list the next time I'm down there. Love that place. Looks like a good time was had by all. 8-)

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Mr. H, I just love any ride that rises up through the coastal marine layer and then back down through it.
Looks like a great ride!
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Becoming a bit of a weekend warrior. Ain’t all bad

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Looks nice and "tacky". 8-)

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It's always so sad to see these magnificent beings come to the end of their time. This morning on my ride
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in the Tortolita Preserve. If a Saguaro falls in the desert, and no one is there to see it, does it make a sound? I am guessing this one made a huge 'whooomp'! as it came down... if I had been there to witness it!


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Saguaro's are as magnificent as big redwoods. Glad you got a ride in. 8-)

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Is that just my imagination, or does it look like wood where it broke?

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Rockerc wrote:
It's always so sad to see these magnificent beings come to the end of their time. This morning on my ride
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in the Tortolita Preserve. If a Saguaro falls in the desert, and no one is there to see it, does it make a sound? I am guessing this one made a huge 'whooomp'! as it came down... if I had been there to witness it!


No, because they have a soul. When they are ready to die and they are alone, they simply pop off their base and lay down quietly.


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Magura wrote:
Is that just my imagination, or does it look like wood where it broke?

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Saguaros are made up of a cluster of internal rods, sort of like bones. That's what you are seeing.


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Interesting.
I thought all cacti were made of a hard skin and a soft core.
Is it any good as a material?

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Magura wrote:
Interesting.
I thought all cacti were made of a hard skin and a soft core.
Is it any good as a material?

Magura :)


I've never see it used as a building material. I've seen several of them completely without skin and all the rods/sticks exposed. Never stopped to check one out closely but if I see a dead one the next time I am out where there are, I will check it out closely and let you know.

Perhaps RC will chime in.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:43 pm 
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I'd appreciate that. It's not something I'd ever get my hands on around here, but by the look of it, it must resemble wood to some degree.
Given the weight of the cactus, it can't be a weak material as such, no?
Actually, if you stumble upon one, please pick up a piece. I'm coming to Florida soon.......

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Saguaro's are as magnificent as big redwoods. Glad you got a ride in. 8-)



Good analogy and I agree.


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Looks nice and "tacky". 8-)


The one place where the word “tacky” is a good thing. ;)

Good to see you getting out Mini.


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Conditions were exceptional for the most part with a few random sand washes to take away my hero status


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Nice......... 8-)

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Here's a closeup of the same Saguaro where it broke off, and here is another close up of one that died without falling. Most of them die 'standing up', and gradually lose arms etc, but the biggun did the whole timber thing... They do have souls! Sometimes when you get up close you can sense a very low thrumming, and I can often tell their moods, and what is going on around them... sounds weird but that is what I sense! Drugs are good here :)


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Thanks RC, very interesting.
I think I'll have to see if I can find one in Alabama next week.

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Thanks RC. And Magura, if you find a Saguaro Cactus in Alabama call the Guinness Book of World Records. ;)

An interesting fact is in the desert Saguaro Cactuses are a mainstay for many critters. Not many other places to call home and stay clear of predators on the ground.

https://www.nps.gov/sagu/learn/nature/s ... nimals.htm


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Alabama ain’t where it used to be from what I read


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Yes RC, they do have souls. 8-)

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MiniTrail wrote:
Alabama ain’t where it used to be from what I read


Too cold there?


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Magura wrote:
MiniTrail wrote:
Alabama ain’t where it used to be from what I read


Too cold there?


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Just plain too different. The Eastern half of the US is very different from the Western half. In the East, it's far more humid. The ground is moist, different plants grow. In the West its far more dry. More rocky/sandy, and sparse, comparatively. A saguaro would not be happy living in Alabama. It might survive, but it would look and grow differently.


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Hawgzilla wrote:
Magura wrote:
MiniTrail wrote:
Alabama ain’t where it used to be from what I read


Too cold there?


Magura :)

Just plain too different. The Eastern half of the US is very different from the Western half. In the East, it's far more humid. The ground is moist, different plants grow. In the West its far more dry. More rocky/sandy, and sparse, comparatively. A saguaro would not be happy living in Alabama. It might survive, but it would look and grow differently.


Correct, there is no way a Saguaros Cactus would ever make it in Alabama. They grow in arid dry climates for a reason. They have a very shallow root system that needs plenty of drainage / sand in order to survive. The moist muddy soils of the southern states, Alabama wouldn't work. They’d drown before ever getting started. The ribs running up the cactus you all talked about earlier are pleats. They hold water. Saguaros cactuses only grow in the Sonoran desert and only grow below 4,000 FT. frost and cold will kill them. They grow very slow, an inch or so in 8 years and can grow to be 200 years old and reach 60’ in height. All grow in different shapes. Quite an amazing species actually.


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Ok, then I'll have to beg for a piece pleat from one of you guys.
No way I'm getting that far from home.


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Magura wrote:
Ok, then I'll have to beg for a piece pleat from one of you guys.
No way I'm getting that far from home.


Magura :)



I’ll always remember the first time I saw one. Moving from Colorado to California and going through Arizona. I never saw one the first 26 years of my life. Only in old westerns. ;)

They really are magical plants in my opinion. Growing to be 200 years old. Norton was dead on comparing them to the mighty Redwoods. Both growing to such a ripe old age and only found in a very small part of the the world.

RC, get some photos of some living ones for us please. :clap:


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To me, the Sonoran "desert" is one of the most alive places I've ever been.

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