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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:56 pm 
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As some of you may know, I have followed the development of the bicycle helmet, and in particular, the development of irrational fear that huge numbers of uninformed people consider "common sense".

A couple of very interesting personalities in this, would be Chris Boardman and Mikael Colville-Andersen.
Neither has a dog in the helmet race, and both a cyclist safty advocates.

It's been a while since Ilast took a look at what's going in the debate, as it is long past the poin where it was a rational debate, but rather had turned into a mix of poorly informed opinions based on irrational fear, and the outcome of lobbyism and marketing.
I just stumbled on this little bit, that I take some here would find interesting, and a lot of people could get a starting point to form an informed opinion.

http://www.copenhagenize.com/2017/01/bi ... nmark.html

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:28 pm 
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Been riding bikes for 58 years and I started wearing a helmet in the mid 90's. All I can say is, I've had my bell rung a couple of times riding both mountain and road bikes. A helmet saved my head. For me, wearing a helmet is based on experience not scientific data.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:53 pm 
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Forgive me for this one ;)

You assume a helmet saved your head.
I'm not saying it didn't, you just have nothing to compare it to.

This is exactly what the above article is about: assumption based on anything but evidence.
Given the large number of bicycle helmets being worn, there should have been a massive decrease in head injuries.
Gues what?
There isn't ;)

As I've pointed out earlier, and what is also implied in the article, this relates to casual riding. Full on MTB riding is a differen t ballgame.
Having said that, the current crop of cycling helmets, offers very little protection in that case, unless you look towards the DH variety.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:06 pm 
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I do not always wear a helmet. One of my cycling pleasures is what I refer to as a ‘ball cap’ ride. Doesn’t mean I don’t do things that I might regret it just means I’m out wandering and accept the consequences should they happen.
Do what you feel is right. I’m good either way

Pulling my kayak back in 2010 doing a dangerous selfie without a lid :o

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:41 pm 
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Magura, as a former EMT in a past life, my initial comment was based on this......https://www.verywellhealth.com/coup-con ... es-3157066
Helmet's temper the initial impact by spreading the point of contact over a slightly wider area. One could argue that football head injuries shouldn't be as severe as they are, but getting hit in the head with a battering ram vs. hitting the deck with your head (point of contact) are way different in severity.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:47 pm 
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That lack of lessened head injuries is likely due to the rather underwhelming safety test standards that these bicycle helmets are held to.
Even with the flimsy protection they DO afford, I am a true connoisseur of blunt force trauma to my skull, ( I will 'prolly be wearing a druel-bucket around my neck in the next 5-10 years,) And as such, I know from decades of personal experience that some of the helmet-to-rocks blows to my head that I've taken would have been MUCH worse had I not been wearing my mtb helmet.
I don't really think of it as a "helmet" so much, but rather as an ultralight and stylish piece of headwear that I feel kinda nekkid without.
And then, after all, how about the CHILDREN? What effect upon the CHILDREN is the sight of adults riding bare-headed going to be?
After all, first and foremost, we MUST think first, and last, about the CHILDREN!

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Mine have deflected having a gash in my scalp a few times. Regardless of the protection from a minor hit, gash, or scrape, I know of ten or more people who have gotten knocked out and a few with concussion. They can't do much about that sudden stop to your brain.
Most of us don't expect bike helmets to save us from concussions or severe head/brain trauma, though there are some folks who have an expectation that one will save them from any head injury possible.


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Just having had a concussion I feel like adding these thoughts:
No country is trying to do what is best for protecting what matters most. They all are so obsessed with protecting the skull that they think that is all that matters. Brain protection is only taken care of in a very minor way. The foam that almost all helmets use as protection is of absolutely no use.
What matter most is that the brain should be protected as it is not repairable; the skull is.
I do not believe that the rubber suspension of 6D helmets plus the 100% Altus helmet is a perfect protection but it is a step in the right direction.
Look at what happen with just a little impact of the head in a normal helmet with foam as only protection: https://qcollar.ca/pages/science
Maybe the Wavecel from Bontrager and the Koroyd straw from Smiths are better than the standard foam padding but in my concussed brain the rubber is so far the best for helping the brain of what is so far available, and the one I bought is the one I consider best even though the 100% helmet is both lighter and better ventilated. Protecting the brain is most important.
That companies are selling what they make money on is easy to understand, but if I was not retired and spending my time taking care of my family I would do something to help people that are being misinformed by the sayings: This new helmet is the best in the world with more ventilation and at the same time the lightest ever produced. Such nonsense is more or less what most helmet manufacturers are telling to lure people to buy a new helmet which is only a new colour and a slightly changed design without any real improvement. The construction of these in my eyes bad helmets are so alike that it could be easy to imagine that they are all produced by same company (in China) with only shape and colours different in order to suit the company selling them.
You can help your friends and guide to a safer helmet by telling what helmets are good as the only good friend is one who is alive.

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Well, good luck explaining the flat earthers that.

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I prefer to not wear a helmet when riding, but I do wear one when I am riding in tricky terrain or on anything approaching a downhill when I am going quicker. Riding where I live tends to be either mostly flat for longer periods, or long climbs followed by longish descents. On easy, flatter terrain, or on long climbs, I do not usually wear my helmet. On rides where I know I will be including downhill stuff, I put it in my pack and put it on for the longer downhill sections. When on the long climbs, I leave it in my pack. That is my choice. I have been riding off road for almost 60 years now, doing all kinds of stuff without a helmet. I feel sensible enough to be able to mitigate risk enough to know when it is cleverer to put one on :) When I started riding off road at 5 years old, there were no bike helmets for off road biking, and up until the 80s, that was normal. It was only when I started racing in the 80s in the UK that helmets became a thing. I have had many spills without one, and managed to survive OK so far.
I do hate the mentality that says if I am not wearing a helmet, you do not want to ride with me. Fukk off then. I do not want to ride with you either.


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Rockerc wrote:
I prefer to not wear a helmet when riding, but I do wear one when I am riding in tricky terrain or on anything approaching a downhill when I am going quicker. Riding where I live tends to be either mostly flat for longer periods, or long climbs followed by longish descents. On easy, flatter terrain, or on long climbs, I do not usually wear my helmet. On rides where I know I will be including downhill stuff, I put it in my pack and put it on for the longer downhill sections. When on the long climbs, I leave it in my pack. That is my choice. I have been riding off road for almost 60 years now, doing all kinds of stuff without a helmet. I feel sensible enough to be able to mitigate risk enough to know when it is cleverer to put one on :) When I started riding off road at 5 years old, there were no bike helmets for off road biking, and up until the 80s, that was normal. It was only when I started racing in the 80s in the UK that helmets became a thing. I have had many spills without one, and managed to survive OK so far.
I do hate the mentality that says if I am not wearing a helmet, you do not want to ride with me. Fukk off then. I do not want to ride with you either.


Ah, fukk off mate. I did not want to ride with you anyway. :D


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Rockerc wrote:
I prefer to not wear a helmet when riding, but I do wear one when I am riding in tricky terrain or on anything approaching a downhill when I am going quicker. Riding where I live tends to be either mostly flat for longer periods, or long climbs followed by longish descents. On easy, flatter terrain, or on long climbs, I do not usually wear my helmet. On rides where I know I will be including downhill stuff, I put it in my pack and put it on for the longer downhill sections. When on the long climbs, I leave it in my pack. That is my choice. I have been riding off road for almost 60 years now, doing all kinds of stuff without a helmet. I feel sensible enough to be able to mitigate risk enough to know when it is cleverer to put one on :) When I started riding off road at 5 years old, there were no bike helmets for off road biking, and up until the 80s, that was normal. It was only when I started racing in the 80s in the UK that helmets became a thing. I have had many spills without one, and managed to survive OK so far.
I do hate the mentality that says if I am not wearing a helmet, you do not want to ride with me. Fukk off then. I do not want to ride with you either.


That is OK with me.

With a language like yours I am not going to be your ride buddy anyway.

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las-palmas mojo wrote:

With a language like yours I am not going to be your ride buddy anyway.


What's wrong with English? Isn't that what you speak too?


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Hawgzilla wrote:
Rockerc wrote:
I prefer to not wear a helmet when riding, but I do wear one when I am riding in tricky terrain or on anything approaching a downhill when I am going quicker. Riding where I live tends to be either mostly flat for longer periods, or long climbs followed by longish descents. On easy, flatter terrain, or on long climbs, I do not usually wear my helmet. On rides where I know I will be including downhill stuff, I put it in my pack and put it on for the longer downhill sections. When on the long climbs, I leave it in my pack. That is my choice. I have been riding off road for almost 60 years now, doing all kinds of stuff without a helmet. I feel sensible enough to be able to mitigate risk enough to know when it is cleverer to put one on :) When I started riding off road at 5 years old, there were no bike helmets for off road biking, and up until the 80s, that was normal. It was only when I started racing in the 80s in the UK that helmets became a thing. I have had many spills without one, and managed to survive OK so far.
I do hate the mentality that says if I am not wearing a helmet, you do not want to ride with me. Fukk off then. I do not want to ride with you either.


Ah, fukk off mate. I did not want to ride with you anyway. :D



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Rockerc wrote:
Hawgzilla wrote:
Rockerc wrote:
I prefer to not wear a helmet when riding, but I do wear one when I am riding in tricky terrain or on anything approaching a downhill when I am going quicker. Riding where I live tends to be either mostly flat for longer periods, or long climbs followed by longish descents. On easy, flatter terrain, or on long climbs, I do not usually wear my helmet. On rides where I know I will be including downhill stuff, I put it in my pack and put it on for the longer downhill sections. When on the long climbs, I leave it in my pack. That is my choice. I have been riding off road for almost 60 years now, doing all kinds of stuff without a helmet. I feel sensible enough to be able to mitigate risk enough to know when it is cleverer to put one on :) When I started riding off road at 5 years old, there were no bike helmets for off road biking, and up until the 80s, that was normal. It was only when I started racing in the 80s in the UK that helmets became a thing. I have had many spills without one, and managed to survive OK so far.
I do hate the mentality that says if I am not wearing a helmet, you do not want to ride with me. Fukk off then. I do not want to ride with you either.


Ah, fukk off mate. I did not want to ride with you anyway. :D



Oh yes you do Hawg... you know you do :)


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Rockerc wrote:
las-palmas mojo wrote:

With a language like yours I am not going to be your ride buddy anyway.


What's wrong with English? Isn't that what you speak too?


One of the 6 languages I understand enough to appreciate a decent language. But if your want to know it is the third I learned.

I do appreciate kind words in all languages.

What that has to do with common sense is up to you.

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